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: "''The more the early Christians reflected on the life and message of their rabbi-messiah, and the more they tried to live the way of the gospel, the harder they collided with the state and its hopes and dreams, militaries and markets. In fact, Christians in those first few hundred years were called [[atheist]]s because they no longer believed in the Roman gospel; they no longer had any faith in the state as savior of the [[world]].''" <ref>[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310687519/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0310687519&linkCode=as2&tag=eatonessentia-20 Jesus for President Pack: Politics for Ordinary Radicals]; Shane Claiborne; Section III: When the Empire Got Baptized; p141.</ref> | |||
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: "''The more the [[early Christians]] reflected on the life and message of their rabbi-messiah, and the more they tried to live the way of the gospel, the harder they collided with the state and its hopes and dreams, militaries and markets. In fact, Christians in those first few hundred years were called [[atheist]]s because they no longer believed in the Roman gospel; they no longer had any faith in the state as savior of the [[world]].''" <ref>[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310687519/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0310687519&linkCode=as2&tag=eatonessentia-20 Jesus for President Pack: Politics for Ordinary Radicals]; Shane Claiborne; Section III: When the Empire Got Baptized; p141.</ref> | |||
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So, what we have today are false Christians and false atheists fighting with each other while both groups obliviously worship/serve/honor/obey/elect the "gods many" in their governments of coercion through the [[socialist]] [[welfare]] state where it is deemed good to [[covet]] your neighbors' goods through the [[exercise authority|exercising authority]] of men who call themselves [[benefactors]] and ''judges'' of what is ''good and evil'' for you. | So, what we have today are false Christians and false atheists fighting with each other while both groups obliviously worship/serve/honor/obey/elect the "gods many" in their governments of coercion through the [[socialist]] [[welfare]] state where it is deemed good to [[covet]] your neighbors' goods through the [[exercise authority|exercising authority]] of men who call themselves [[benefactors]] and ''judges'' of what is ''good and evil'' for you. | ||
True Christians and true atheists happily co-exist while striving for a government based on respecting each other's liberty. They are generally called Libertarians or labelled [[Anarchist|Anarchists]] today. On the other hand, the "[[worship]]" of current false Christians and false atheists is based upon [[covet]]ing their neighbor's goods. They elect "gods many" to [[force]] their neighbors to pay for their child's education ([[Public education|public school]]), to finance their retirement ([[social security]]), to keep [[ | True Christians and true atheists happily co-exist while striving for a government based on respecting each other's liberty. They are generally called Libertarians or labelled [[Anarchist|Anarchists]] today. On the other hand, the "[[worship]]" of current false Christians and false atheists is based upon [[covet]]ing their neighbor's goods. They elect "gods many" to [[force]] their neighbors to pay for their child's education ([[Public education|public school]]), to finance their retirement ([[social security]]), to keep [[registration|records of birth]], [[marriage]], [[legal title|land ownership]], etc. So if your neighbor refuses this form of [[worship]] and does not pay for your [[wantonness]], your "[[gods|gods many]]" will take away their property and imprison them on your behalf. | ||
In the modern society of [[covetous practices]] they have chosen the [[wages of unrighteousness]]<Ref>[[2 Peter 2]]:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with [[covetous practices]]; cursed children: | In the modern society of [[covetous practices]] they have chosen the [[wages of unrighteousness]]<Ref>[[2 Peter 2]]:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with [[covetous practices]]; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken [[the way|the right way]], and are gone astray, following the way of [[Balaam]] [the son] of Bosor, who loved the [[wages of unrighteousness]];</Ref> over the [[perfect law of liberty]] which allows the people to [[bite]] one another with their [[appetite]] for the [[knife|dainties of rulers]] and then they wonder why the [[masses]] have been devoured.<Ref>[[Galatians 5]]:15 But if ye '''bite''' and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. | ||
15 Which have forsaken [[the way|the right way]], and are gone astray, following the way of [[Balaam]] [the son] of Bosor, who loved the [[wages of unrighteousness]];</Ref> over the [[perfect law of liberty]] which allows the people to [[bite]] one another with their [[appetite]] for the [[knife|dainties of rulers]] and then they wonder why the [[masses]] have been devoured.<Ref>[[Galatians 5]]:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. | |||
: [[Micah 3]]:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. | : [[Micah 3]]:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. | ||
: Habakkuk 2:7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them? | : Habakkuk 2:7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them? | ||
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:: Amos 9:3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:</Ref> | :: Amos 9:3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:</Ref> | ||
Those who are called Christians today would have been called Pharisees 2000 years ago and would crucify Jesus now just like they did then. (What! This Jesus character is suggesting his followers run a nation based on freewill offerings with ministers—government officials—who have no authority! That's not patriotic. Crucify him!) | Those who are called Christians today would have been called Pharisees 2000 years ago and would crucify [[Jesus]] now just like they did then. (What! This Jesus character is suggesting his followers run a nation based on freewill offerings with ministers—government officials—who have no authority! That's not patriotic. Crucify him!) | ||
Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. [[Religion]] is simply society's social welfare safety net. Religion is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that PURE religion is taking care of the needy without centralized government... | Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. [[Religion]] is simply society's social [[welfare]] safety net. [[Religion]] is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that [[Pure Religion|PURE religion]] is taking care of the needy without centralized government... | ||
"''[[Pure Religion|Pure religion]] and undefiled before God and the [[Father]] is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.''" [http://bible.cc/james/1-27.htm James 1:27] | "''[[Pure Religion|Pure religion]] and undefiled before God and the [[Father]] is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the [[world]].''" [http://bible.cc/james/1-27.htm James 1:27] | ||
That word "world" is translated from the word "[[kosmos]]" which simply means ''"an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."'' [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php My kingdom is not of this world]... | That word "[[world]]" is translated from the word "[[kosmos]]" which simply means ''"an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government."'' [http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/world.php My kingdom is not of this world]... | ||
True Christians and true atheists are seen by their | True Christians and true atheists are seen by their [[fruit]]s... they have no need of centralized governments because they already have decentralized systems in place. | ||
Both groups would do well to study the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/Essenes2.php Essenes] to understand what the term "Christian" really meant 2000 years ago. | Both groups would do well to study the [http://www.hisholychurch.org/study/history/Essenes2.php Essenes] to understand what the term "Christian" really meant 2000 years ago. | ||
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{{#ev:youtube|P0A_iF1B3k0|300|right|A belief in a personal version of [[Religion]] or a [[denomination]] is often a vain belief in your emotional opinion about God. But if your belief in an opinion or [[Graven images|image of God]] is not accurate then it is not God you believe in but one of the [[gods|gods many]] mentioned in the [[Bible]]. Your actions and deeds will show evidence of the truth or falseness of your faith. Faith in ''your opinion about God'' is not necessarily the original meaning of [[Religion]]. The Religions represented in the video all look to ''men who [[exercise authority]]<Ref>[[Matthew 20]]:25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great [[exercise authority]] upon them. | |||
: [[Mark 10]]:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones [[exercise authority]] upon them. | |||
: [[Luke 22]]:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that [[exercise authority]] upon them are called [[benefactors]].</Ref> one over the other but call themselves [[Benefactors]]'' ignore [[the way]] and [[That Word|the words]] of Christ. They are all engaged in the modern systems of [[Corban]] and [[social security]] through the [[welfare state]]s of the [[world]] which ''make the [[That World|words of God]] to none effect'' because they are [[covetous practices]] that makes them all [[workers of iniquity]]. }} | |||
== Modern Atheists == | == Modern Atheists == | ||
[[Image:Religion-latin.jpg|320px|right|thumb]] | [[Image:Religion-latin.jpg|320px|right|thumb]] | ||
Atheists are very religious people if you define religion as "what you think about a supreme being" which some dictionaries suggest. However at the same time even if you use the old definition found in Bouviers Law Dictionary <Ref>“Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men”</Ref>. Piety was defined as the duty to your Father and Mother and through them to others within your community. | Atheists are very religious people if you define religion as "what you think about a supreme being" which some dictionaries suggest. However at the same time even if you use the old definition found in Bouviers' Law Dictionary <Ref>“Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men”</Ref>. Piety was defined as the duty to your Father and Mother and through them to others within your [[community]]. | ||
In other words [[Religion]] used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took care of its needy, with its social [[Welfare|welfare]], within their society, and the [[Gods|gods]] of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.<Ref>Judges 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.</Ref> | In other words [[Religion]] used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took [[care]] of its needy, with its social [[Welfare|welfare]], within their society, and the [[Gods|gods]] of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.<Ref>[[Judges 10]]:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.</Ref> | ||
Most modern [[Atheist]]s are still [[Socialist|socialist]] today. They depend on the [[Gods|gods]] of government to collect the sacrifices of the people on civil altars and redistribute those offerings in what used to be called [[Corban]]. Often the ruler chose or at least oversaw the appointment of these authoritarian ministers of society and were given titles like [[Apotheos]] or even [[Father]]. | Most modern [[Atheist]]s are still [[Socialist|socialist]] today. They depend on the [[Gods|gods]] of government to collect the sacrifices of the people on civil altars and redistribute those offerings in what used to be called [[Corban]]. Often the ruler chose or at least oversaw the appointment of these authoritarian ministers of society and were given titles like [[Apotheos]] or even [[Father]]. | ||
Because these man-made gods were [[Benefactors]] who exercised authority one over the other, their systems of sacrifice or [[Corban]] were not [[Freewill offerings]] but forced. This is what the God of heaven said through Moses and Christ, we are to [[Love|love your neighbor as yourself]]. This covetous practice of compelled offerings ''made the word of God to none effect''. | Because these man-made gods were [[Benefactors]] who exercised authority one over the other, their systems of sacrifice or [[Corban]] were not [[Freewill offerings]] but forced. This is what the God of heaven said through [[Moses]] and Christ, we are to [[Love|love your neighbor as yourself]]. This [[covetous practices|covetous practice]] of compelled offerings ''made the word of God to none effect''. | ||
This is why many | This is why many [[socialist]]s do not want any moral criteria to getting [[benefits]] from their [[benefactors]]. They want entitlements no matter if they are moral or not. In fact, one of the great attractions to being an atheist is that there is little or no moral accountability. | ||
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"The conflict between Christians and the people who persecuted them in the early days of the Church was mostly over their system of social welfare which was managed through their temples like Ephesus, Temple of Saturn and the Parthenon." [http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Health_Share#Life_and_Death Read more.] and discover the iconoclastic answer to the question [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/idiots.php Are Christians Idiots?] | "The conflict between Christians and the people who persecuted them in the early days of the Church was mostly over their system of social welfare which was managed through their temples like Ephesus, Temple of Saturn and the Parthenon." [http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Health_Share#Life_and_Death Read more.] and discover the iconoclastic answer to the question [http://www.hisholychurch.org/sermon/idiots.php Are Christians Idiots?] | ||
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- "The more the early Christians reflected on the life and message of their rabbi-messiah, and the more they tried to live the way of the gospel, the harder they collided with the state and its hopes and dreams, militaries and markets. In fact, Christians in those first few hundred years were called atheists because they no longer believed in the Roman gospel; they no longer had any faith in the state as savior of the world." [1]
Early Christians Were Atheists - 30 min
The early Church were accused by Rome of atheism.[2] There are gods many but who are those gods?
What and how were they worshipped?
Have we made covenants with strange gods and do we now bow down and serve them?
After all what do you think the Romans and Greeks were doing in their Temples where the business of their governments took place?
So, what we have today are false Christians and false atheists fighting with each other while both groups obliviously worship/serve/honor/obey/elect the "gods many" in their governments of coercion through the socialist welfare state where it is deemed good to covet your neighbors' goods through the exercising authority of men who call themselves benefactors and judges of what is good and evil for you.
True Christians and true atheists happily co-exist while striving for a government based on respecting each other's liberty. They are generally called Libertarians or labelled Anarchists today. On the other hand, the "worship" of current false Christians and false atheists is based upon coveting their neighbor's goods. They elect "gods many" to force their neighbors to pay for their child's education (public school), to finance their retirement (social security), to keep records of birth, marriage, land ownership, etc. So if your neighbor refuses this form of worship and does not pay for your wantonness, your "gods many" will take away their property and imprison them on your behalf.
In the modern society of covetous practices they have chosen the wages of unrighteousness[3] over the perfect law of liberty which allows the people to bite one another with their appetite for the dainties of rulers and then they wonder why the masses have been devoured.[4]
Those who are called Christians today would have been called Pharisees 2000 years ago and would crucify Jesus now just like they did then. (What! This Jesus character is suggesting his followers run a nation based on freewill offerings with ministers—government officials—who have no authority! That's not patriotic. Crucify him!)
Those who label themselves atheists today would have enjoyed Jesus' teaching against state religion. Religion is simply society's social welfare safety net. Religion is mentioned five times in the bible and only once in a positive light when it indicates that PURE religion is taking care of the needy without centralized government...
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." James 1:27
That word "world" is translated from the word "kosmos" which simply means "an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government." My kingdom is not of this world...
True Christians and true atheists are seen by their fruits... they have no need of centralized governments because they already have decentralized systems in place.
Both groups would do well to study the Essenes to understand what the term "Christian" really meant 2000 years ago.
Modern Atheists
Atheists are very religious people if you define religion as "what you think about a supreme being" which some dictionaries suggest. However at the same time even if you use the old definition found in Bouviers' Law Dictionary [6]. Piety was defined as the duty to your Father and Mother and through them to others within your community.
In other words Religion used to simply be how a nation, a people, or a society took care of its needy, with its social welfare, within their society, and the gods of those societies were the men in charge of making sure everyone gave their fair share and got their fair share. These gods were the men or women who meted out social justice.[7]
Most modern Atheists are still socialist today. They depend on the gods of government to collect the sacrifices of the people on civil altars and redistribute those offerings in what used to be called Corban. Often the ruler chose or at least oversaw the appointment of these authoritarian ministers of society and were given titles like Apotheos or even Father.
Because these man-made gods were Benefactors who exercised authority one over the other, their systems of sacrifice or Corban were not Freewill offerings but forced. This is what the God of heaven said through Moses and Christ, we are to love your neighbor as yourself. This covetous practice of compelled offerings made the word of God to none effect.
This is why many socialists do not want any moral criteria to getting benefits from their benefactors. They want entitlements no matter if they are moral or not. In fact, one of the great attractions to being an atheist is that there is little or no moral accountability.
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"The conflict between Christians and the people who persecuted them in the early days of the Church was mostly over their system of social welfare which was managed through their temples like Ephesus, Temple of Saturn and the Parthenon." Read more. and discover the iconoclastic answer to the question Are Christians Idiots?
Footnotes
- ↑ Jesus for President Pack: Politics for Ordinary Radicals; Shane Claiborne; Section III: When the Empire Got Baptized; p141.
- ↑ “Justin, when refuting the charge of atheism writes, “We reverence and worship the Father, and the Son, and the host of other good messengers (or angels), and the Prophetic Spirit,” And, “You call us atheistis: the charge is not true, for we not only believe in one God, who was sent by God.”” The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia By James Orr
- ↑ 2 Peter 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, [as] they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots [they are] and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
- ↑ Galatians 5:15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
- Micah 3:5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
- Habakkuk 2:7 Shall they not rise up suddenly that shall bite thee, and awake that shall vex thee, and thou shalt be for booties unto them?
- Jeremiah 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which [will] not [be] charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.
- Amos 9:3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:
- ↑ Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them [unto him], and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
- Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them [to him], and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
- Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
- ↑ “Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men”
- ↑ Judges 10:14 Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.