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Recent  appearances on the show Truth Attack produced a varity of responces.
Recent  appearances on the show Truth Attack produced a variety of responses.


Some responded with "Another quality presentation" While others did no like some of the conversation it stimulated.


Anyone who knows me knows you cannot offend me with words. You can barely do it with a stick.
People always often want to get out of the system or want to think they are already out.
The message of Christ included terms like repent and seek and even strive.
 
My responses are often direct and takes people back to the solution of Christ and what it looked like ant the early church did. People who are not doing that will feel attacked by the truth.
 
Anyone who knows me knows you cannot offend me with words. You can barely do it with a stick. But I will consistently press the issues where other ministers will only whisper or divert attention or tickle ears.
 
 
When people say things like  "I did not respond as I did to pick a fight." they are actually projecting the idea that someone is trying to fight with them.
When people say things like  "I did not respond as I did to pick a fight." they are actually projecting the idea that someone is trying to fight with them.
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The even through out challeges like “Name one early church listed in Scripture that formed a “Congregation of Record”. There were none, because it’s not necessary to do so in order to be in the Father’s Kingdom. There is no stipulation that ministers must be elected. It's optional... for a congregation that may be growing and needs people to perform certain tasks for the benefit of the all. Let the Lord guide the way, don't force it.”
The even through out challeges like “Name one early church listed in Scripture that formed a “Congregation of Record”. There were none, because it’s not necessary to do so in order to be in the Father’s Kingdom. There is no stipulation that ministers must be elected. It's optional... for a congregation that may be growing and needs people to perform certain tasks for the benefit of the all. Let the Lord guide the way, don't force it.”
But the Lord has already given us the way. But they want to turn a blind eye to it and say they see no evidence.
But the Lord has already given us the way. But they want to turn a blind eye to it and say they see no evidence.
They say these things because they do not like it when I write “People who do not form congregations of record...”
They say these things because they do not like it when I write “People who do not form congregations of record...”
“Who do not pick a minister who meets with the other ministers in congregation...”
“Who do not pick a minister who meets with the other ministers in congregation...”
“Who do not try to help other congregations on a regular and dependable basis...”
“Who do not try to help other congregations on a regular and dependable basis...”
 “Are not seeking the kingdom but are burying their talent... and slothful in the ways of Christ.”
 “Are not seeking the kingdom but are burying their talent... and slothful in the ways of Christ.”
“People need to repent of that thinking and start helping build a network our of love of God and not merely to gather your friends or buddies to form your own little group. That attitude is what allowed for the inquisition.”
“People need to repent of that thinking and start helping build a network our of love of God and not merely to gather your friends or buddies to form your own little group. That attitude is what allowed for the inquisition.”
That bothers people and when they read it they feel stomped on because they are feeling the conviction of the truth. The Church was not just isolated little congregations but a whole body of believers providing a vast daily ministration, some times for many people far away.
That bothers people and when they read it they feel stomped on because they are feeling the conviction of the truth. The Church was not just isolated little congregations but a whole body of believers providing a vast daily ministration, some times for many people far away.
In Ephesians 4:12 we read “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry<Ref> 1248 ~διακονία~ diakonia \@dee-ak-on-ee’-ah\@ from 1249;  n f AV-ministry 16, ministration 6, ministering 3, misc 9; 34 1) service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others 2) of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote    religion among men
In Ephesians 4:12 we read “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry<Ref> 1248 ~διακονία~ diakonia \@dee-ak-on-ee’-ah\@ from 1249;  n f AV-ministry 16, ministration 6, ministering 3, misc 9; 34 1) service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others 2) of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote    religion among men
    2a) of the office of Moses
::    2a) of the office of Moses
    2b) of the office of the apostles and its administration
::    2b) of the office of the apostles and its administration
    2c) of the office of prophets, evangelists, elders etc.
::    2c) of the office of prophets, evangelists, elders etc.
3) the ministration of those who render to others the offices of    Christian affection esp. those who help meet need by either    collecting or distributing of charities
: 3) the ministration of those who render to others the offices of    Christian affection esp. those who help meet need by either    collecting or distributing of charities
4) the office of the deacon in the church
: 4) the office of the deacon in the church
5) the service of those who prepare and present food
: 5) the service of those who prepare and present food
  </Ref>, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
  </Ref>, for the edifying of the body of Christ:”
The word ministry is also  ministration and is defined “ service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others...” and “the ministration of those who render to others the offices...”
The word ministry is also  ministration and is defined “ service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others...” and “the ministration of those who render to others the offices...”


Revision as of 03:58, 3 July 2015

Recent appearances on the show Truth Attack produced a variety of responses.

Some responded with "Another quality presentation" While others did no like some of the conversation it stimulated.

People always often want to get out of the system or want to think they are already out. The message of Christ included terms like repent and seek and even strive.

My responses are often direct and takes people back to the solution of Christ and what it looked like ant the early church did. People who are not doing that will feel attacked by the truth.

Anyone who knows me knows you cannot offend me with words. You can barely do it with a stick. But I will consistently press the issues where other ministers will only whisper or divert attention or tickle ears.   When people say things like "I did not respond as I did to pick a fight." they are actually projecting the idea that someone is trying to fight with them.   It is the same kind of thing you see when someone says "Why do you guys insist on stomping down anything that does not (yet) have all the points you hammer down...." If someone read the original message there was no stomping down. There was actually agreement from the start of the post that a congregation is important but a congregation is not a kingdom. It is not enough. It is not the whole gospel. Forming a congregation is like jumping in front of a revene to get to the other side. You need to know how far to jump to make it across and not just jump. Forming a congregation is just jumping and while I know it is important it is more important to know how far you have to jump. In that knowledge there is a solution. What was said to all consistently is what I believe. What I believe is why I started these groups and why others are working to form the network of congregations that formed the early Church and its Pure Religion, the early nation of Israel and Abraham's altars. What was said was true God's kingdom "requires people to help people that are a long way off and may never be able to help them" back.  This is why you see numerous places in the new testament where funds were sent to other city states and even countries by way of teams of ministers.   Acts 11:29 Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: Which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. But doubting souls comments "I'll flat out say that I do not agree with your view on church organization". Why do they doubt the need for being organized? Often it is because they have not forgiven those who would rule over them. That judgment often makes them fear organization even when it is grassroot. The think “One does not need to form a congregation of record, or choose a minister who meets with other ministers in congregation, etc., to seek or be in the Holy Kingdom. Those must be your rules for living a good and rewarding Christian life. Not Yhwh’s rules.”

The even through out challeges like “Name one early church listed in Scripture that formed a “Congregation of Record”. There were none, because it’s not necessary to do so in order to be in the Father’s Kingdom. There is no stipulation that ministers must be elected. It's optional... for a congregation that may be growing and needs people to perform certain tasks for the benefit of the all. Let the Lord guide the way, don't force it.”

But the Lord has already given us the way. But they want to turn a blind eye to it and say they see no evidence.

They say these things because they do not like it when I write “People who do not form congregations of record...”

“Who do not pick a minister who meets with the other ministers in congregation...”

“Who do not try to help other congregations on a regular and dependable basis...”

 “Are not seeking the kingdom but are burying their talent... and slothful in the ways of Christ.”

“People need to repent of that thinking and start helping build a network our of love of God and not merely to gather your friends or buddies to form your own little group. That attitude is what allowed for the inquisition.”

That bothers people and when they read it they feel stomped on because they are feeling the conviction of the truth. The Church was not just isolated little congregations but a whole body of believers providing a vast daily ministration, some times for many people far away.

In Ephesians 4:12 we read “For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry[1], for the edifying of the body of Christ:”

The word ministry is also ministration and is defined “ service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others...” and “the ministration of those who render to others the offices...”




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  1. ↑ 1248 ~διακονία~ diakonia \@dee-ak-on-ee’-ah\@ from 1249; n f AV-ministry 16, ministration 6, ministering 3, misc 9; 34 1) service, ministering, esp. of those who execute the commands of others 2) of those who by the command of God proclaim and promote religion among men
    2a) of the office of Moses
    2b) of the office of the apostles and its administration
    2c) of the office of prophets, evangelists, elders etc.
    3) the ministration of those who render to others the offices of Christian affection esp. those who help meet need by either collecting or distributing of charities
    4) the office of the deacon in the church
    5) the service of those who prepare and present food


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