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It appears that Ebediah does not wish work as a [[Personal_Contact_Minister|contact minister]] with the Living Network or "His Holy Church" aka HHC.  
Although Ebediah is still a subscriber to the various HHC newsletters and occasionally participates on the HHC Google groups, and sometimes gathers with others that are also on the HHC Google groups, Ebediah at this time in no longer able to serve as a PCM.  If you are interested in choosing a PCM please consider [[Network|these volunteers]].


The volunteer ministers serving the people on this network and other local congregations, hope that Ebediah will someday choose to again join with the other ministers to work as a team to help spread the Good News of the kingdom of God at hand.
If you are interested in choosing a [[All_PCMs|PCM please consider]] on the [[Network|Living Network]].


Dear Ebediah,


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Ebediah you posted the information below on what was your page.


You talk of ''religious movement stagnating'' and ''dying''. That is very interesting.


'''Ebediah means: bond-servant of YHVH; Near Terre Haute [[Indiana]]'''
You were removed as a PCM on these networks because you were stagnating and lack visible movement and because you claim after a year of supposedly volunteering to be a PCM to not even know what a PCM was and you thought it was unbiblical and refused numerous times to answer a simple question. 


[[Image:Ebediah.jpg|right|thumb|212px|Ebediah<br /> Psalm 126:2 ]]
What we wanted to know is have you volunteered for the true job of PCM and if you have "Do you want and intend to do it?"


===Who am I?===
We have the responsibility to ask that of all volunteers. This has nothing to do with Matthew 6:1 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness" It does have to do with 1 Timothy 3:10 "And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being [found] blameless."
This also has to do with being fishers of men<Ref>Matthew 4:19  And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
Mark 1:17  And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.</Ref> and in those days that meant fishing with a net [[Personal_Contact_Minister|which we explained]].


A man, brother, father, uncle and grandfather.  
You say "Historically, religion has failed us" but anyone who reads the published articles and information shared on, with and for many here and by the network know that the word Religion has two definitions.


Bond-servant and Ambassador of YHVH and His Kingdom.  
One common both 200 and 2000 years ago amongst Christians was to perform your "duty to God and your fellowman" which included networking and gathering together to practice pure religion unspotted by the world. That meant actually working to help care for the needy of society which has manifested itself in a charitable network since the days of Abraham through Christ.


In the World but not of it.


A sojourner and orphan, yet not Fatherless.  
And the other definition common to the Pharisees and many apostate preachers of the world was and is “what you think about God”. People even have wars and inquisitions over their personal opinions of religion. While the preachers argue over dogma, no one does the work of pure religion which requires people gathering together and working reliably, contributing freely and diligently striving for righteousness.


A believer, follower and disciple of the Messiah of Israel.
Even though numerous ministers have spoken with you and shared and supported you when you needed help you you continue in ways contrary to these simple truths concerning service as a team. And now you have told us what you think.  


Student and pursuer of the truth of Torah, but not yet a Torah keeper.
We were still seeking to know if you were willing to perform those duties you said you volunteered to do over a year ago.


Redeemed, covered by the sacrificial blood of Messiah, called out of the World and into Messiah.  
You said at one time you wanted to be a PCM and serve but when it was brought to your attention that you were not [[PCM_Tips#Warnings_and_limitations_Please_Remember|convincing your fellow PCM]] you were doing or even willing to do what you said you refused to say ''yes you would''.


A student of the Word of Elohim, The Creator. Having One Teacher, but many tutors.  
It has been stated over and over that no one can stay on this PCM group “row with others because this is a Row Only groups.


An encourager, edifier and exhorter of the Body of Messiah and those seeking His Kingdom.
Why  Row Only?


Abhorring the religious pretense of man, preferring the solace of but a few true disciples.
Is the phrase row only in the Bible? Is it a biblical concept like a Personal Contact Minister?


Purposely poor, yet making no vow.  
Of course it is because that is what ministers due.


A Levite having no estate on earth, no inheritance. Having forsaken my earthly family in 1985, my own abandoning me in 1996.
On the PCM page


Afflicted and humbled, walking the Earth as a pilgrim seeking the Great City not built by human hands.  
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Personal_Contact_Minister


Ordained not of men, but of the Mighty One, through His Ruach, Set-Apart Spirit.
You can read There are several different words used in the Greek bible that are all translated into the single word ''minister''. One of them is ''leitourgos''<Ref> 3011 ~λειτουργός~ leitourgos \@li-toorg-os’\@ from a derivative of ''laos'' meaning people and  ergon meaning work or employment; the word is translated ''minister'' 4 times and, he that ministers once. It is defined as  1) a public minister, a servant of the state 2) a minister, servant</Ref> which is ''a public minister''. A public servant of the people  may use one of [[Welfare_types|two types of welfare]] to serve, one by charity and the other by force. You cannot do it by charity without a network which we see used over and over in the Bible.  When it is done by charity without exercising authority that is '''pure [[Religion]]'''.


Commissioned as a 'missionary' to the Baja of Mexico in January 2005.  
Another word we find in the Bible appearing as ''minister'' is ''diakonos'' <Ref> 1249 ~διάκονος~ diakonos \@dee-ak’-on-os\@ probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands, cf 1377); n m/f translated minister 20, servant 8, deacon 3; 31. Defined 1) one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister  1a) the servant of a king similar to ''leitourgos''</Ref> which is ''one who one who executes the commands of another''.  


Sent out to find the Lost Sheep of Israel, proclaiming the Kingdom is near, living by faith in a YAH-sustained lifestyle.  
And yet another Greek word found in the New Testament which appears as  minister, but also officer, and servant is ''huperetes''<Ref> 5257 ~ὑπηρέτης~ huperetes \@hoop-ay-ret’-ace\@ from  hupo a primary preposition meaning of, by, under. It is also a  derivative of ''eresso'' meaning to row); n m and is translated in the Bible officer 11, minister 5, servant 4; 20. And defined  1) servant  1a) an underrower, subordinate rower  1b) any one who serves with hands: a servant    1b1) in the NT of the officers and attendants of magistrates as  —  of the officer who executes penalties 1b2) of the attendants of a king, servants, retinue, the soldiers of a king, of the attendant of a synagogue  1b3) of any one ministering or rendering service 1c) any one who aids another in any work 1c1) an assistant 1c2) of the preacher of the gospel</Ref> which means servant from a word that meant a rower and the verb ''hupereteo''<Ref> 5256 ~ὑπηρετέω~ hupereteo \@hoop-ay-ret-eh’-o\@ like huperetes but the verb translate serve 1, minister unto 1, minister 1; 3 and defined  1) to act as a rower, to row 2) to minister, render services</Ref> meaning to serve or minister unto but defined ''to act as a rower''.  


Chosen to be a bond-servant before birth, a eunuch by choice.  
This is why we remind those who are elected by the people that the PCM Group is a '''row only group'''. If someone comes on the group because a few people elected them and they are not properly connecting those people to what we seek to do or work with the other PCMs and Ministers of record they will likely not remain.  


A Son of Zadok at heart and lifestyle, poor in worldly wealth, yet rich with the Torah being written on my heart.  
They certainly cannot remain on the [[http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/All_PCMs|PCM website PCM pages]]. That is  because those pages are the testimony by all the other working PCMs and MoRs that a particular individual is doing the job and can be relied upon.


Appointed to good works, a worker of Righteousness, (i.e. Torah)
Nothing is more biblical that the people choosing a minister to help bring them together to form a network of small intimate congregations working together with a larger network of congregations for the welfare of all in what sometimes can be both a perilous and even hostile [[World|world]].


Ordained to eternal life, to bear fruit having dominion over creation (not mankind) and subduing the Earth.  
No one is persecuting you or calling you a “heretic”. No one is trying to alter your beliefs. We were asking what if you were going to honor your word to do the job and you refused to answer.


Recipient of a greater inheritance.  
You are not even being expelled. You merely have not arrived because you never qualified as a PCM.


Child of the King of Kings, follower of the Way (Torah) and obedient to His commandments, as I learn of them.  
http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/PCM_Tips#To_be_a_PCM_you_must:


Citizen and participant of the Reign of YHVH. Not a citizen of this World.


Believing in autonomy balanced with accountability, not forcing others to believe or act as I do.  
You talk about “The Christian religious institutions” but the only institution we seek is a voluntary network of people striving to practice pure religion. It is very clear that those who will not work and strive to practice that pure religion is actually a part of the “skeptical non-Messianic and non-Christian world.


Wannabe friend. 


We wish you well if you want to ever try again you are welcome to seek office again but you must prove yourself as the Bible clearly states.


===Growing up===
1 Timothy 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being [found] blameless.
Born and raised in the South....(uhh…..Southern California)I was raised on a mini-ranch where we grew much of our own food. Chickens, goats, horses, bees, vegetable garden, fruit trees, etc. Raised in a big family, where dad and grandpa raised seven brothers and  one sister. I call it the house of testosterone. There were three generations who helped get the work done and care for each other. Grandpa took care of the house after mom passed away when I was a young boy, and we children had our own chores as well. There were goats to be milked, eggs to be gathered, weeds to be pulled and fruit to pick. Not to mention the dishes to be washed showers to be scrubbed and toilets to be cleaned. You didn't think gramps was going to do it all, did ya? 


=== Formative years ===
Gregory


Originally from from Orange County in Southern California, Garden Grove to be precise, but grew up there in the 60's and 70's when the orange and walnut groves were plentiful. After a few years serving in the Military Intelligence of the Army in 1985 I moved my small family to Placerville in Northern California foothills of the Sierras, when I began my journey of discipleship to the Messiah.
After 20 years (to the day) I departed Placerville and was assigned to serve several humanitarian aid projects in the Baja of Mexico, Arizona, New Mexico and the Ozarks. Currently I am looking to establish Intentional Hebrew Communities where brothers and sisters can live as one family in peace, safety and prosperity according to Torah.


=== Work Experience ===
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The oldest son of my dad, carrying his name, I was put in charge of my brothers on occasion and learned how to 'manage' people, property and possessions at an early age.
 
When I was only 16, I managed a steakhouse near Disneyland and in my 20’s a grocery store. My work history includes over 20 years as a landlord, so I am knowledgeable and interested in legal matters, fixing household items (but I'm no expert) and maintain in good, safe working order, all building facilities and appliances. During the decade of the 90's I was a self-employed business consultant, so I may be of some assistance in helping establish cottage industries. I've learned a few things over the years and offer whatever, whenever, and however I can help a brother in Messiah earn a living to provide for his family.
 
I have no plans on returning to 'employment' since I have the best job, working for the absolute best Master known to mankind! I live by faith, which means you go without some of the conveniences of Egypt and the benefits of Babylon. I think you know what that means, because you've read the stories of the children of Israel in the wilderness. I don’t complain about my lifestyle, but rather am very content. Father provides for me in miraculous ways. I am indeed in awe of His provision.
 
===Spiritual Journey===
I was born into a Roman Catholic family and was taught to believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. I remember quite clearly one night as I was asleep in the back seat of the car when I awoke to laughter. One of my moms friends asked her, "So, when are you going to tell the children there is no Santa?" I was outraged and got in my mothers face (as she was driving in a snowstorm at night on a windy mountain road) and yelled at her, “You LIED to us? We get in trouble when we lie! There isn't a Santa Claus?” "Sit back down." she told me and proceeded to explain the situation. She didn't want me to tell the other children, roping me into her conspiracy.
 
Later, I realized that she had also taught me about Jesus, the manger and the virgin birth. Maybe that was a fairy tale too? I was only 7 years old at the time and a few weeks later she died giving birth to her seventh child. For the next few years I didn't believe in anything.
 
When I was 16 I prayed the sinners prayer, more than anything as fire insurance. But I thought that is what you do to become a 'Christian'. For the next few years I went to church when I wanted to and listened to sermons on the radio and Television. But in 1984 I had a huge paradigm shift. I became a disciple of the Messiah, leaving my fathers house and moving my family 500 miles north to Placerville California.
 
 
Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
"Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues”  Revelation 18:4
 
We have been called out of the Babylonian system, not due to fear, but out of obedience. I see that we as a people must build a Torah based Hebrew communities all throughout the land as places of refuge where we can learn and grow into all that Father has for us. I do not believe that hiding away in a secluded spot so no one will find us is the purpose for these communities, but rather a place to come to develop a Hebraic mindset, be refreshed and  knitted together as one, as He is One.
 
===Service to the Kingdom===
Most of my friends and associates in the past have called me a 'missionary', but since I do not find this title in scripture I do not refer to myself as such. Rather, I consider myself to be a servant and disciple of the Messiah of Israel. I've been involved in a ministry to the poor, the widow and the fatherless for decades. The years I was in Arizona we distributed thousands of meals per week, passed out several tons of food, shoes, clothing, toiletries, medical supplies, furniture, and whatever else Father gave to us to pass to other ministries we serve, such as orphanages, rehabilitation centers, elderly care facilities, feeding programs, in the U.S. and across the border in Mexico.
 
I have lived in the desert in 110 degrees in a metal box called a travel trailer, without running water or electricity; not for long, mind you. And have experienced 82 degrees below freezing in the Arctic Tundra of Wisconsin. If you are not willing to give up this Worlds ways, and the conveniences of Babylon, then you are not going to mature as a disciple. Not to say I wish to live without electricity, or heat in the winter. But you need to be willing to live on less than most Americans are used to. I believe we must be willing to sacrifice our comforts, yet be content in all situations.


===Hope for the Future===
After a decade of traveling around Mexico and the Southwest,and the jungles of the Ozarks, I hope to live on a ranch or farm, preferably with a group of like minded believers where we can grow our own food, produce our own power and live in peace. I am interested in organic and natural foods and leading a more sustainable lifestyle. My motivation is not from fear or the desire of isolation, but rather as I read, study and learn the Torah I see this is the way of our Father. He put Adam in the garden and when The King returns I believe He will bring us back to an agricultural lifestyle. I am into a Yah-sufficient lifestyle, where we can produce everything we need from our own labor. Our Heavenly Father has given us everything we need to live on, just look at the birds of the air....


I am willing to help build community in any way that I can. I am able to clean toilets, take out the trash, wash windows, or dishes, cook meals, oversee specific projects, hoe garden weeds, pick fruit, do laundry or build an fuel-alcohol still or build a sandbag house or develop a fish farm and hope and expect to do all the above.
Dear Ebediah,


===The Living Network===
I remember in our first telephone conversations that you mentioned that you seek to gather with people that are straight shooters, no BS, no whiners, but up front, honest, who are iron willing to sharpen iron, and then you would tell me that you thought I was one of those  types of people, but when I would really tell you what I thought you'd often react as though I was personally attacking you.  And that is how you're reacting with the current situation where you wrote some rather alarming statements about your feelings towards what many people are doing and working at here because you don't like the "jargon" we use, yet you volunteered to be worker on our team, even though you felt that we are a "cult", but yet you stayed, and lurked and didn't really work with us, at all, and when you did, after over a year, start to express your true feelings, when we ask you some tough questions, you folded and started pointing blame and making excuses and reporting that we are attacking you, when it reality its you that are attacking us, defaming us, slandering our name, character and nature, without really ever taking the time to get to truly know us, apparently because our vocabulary is different than yours.  It seems that if we did use words that you approve of then I guess that you would give us your vote of approval.  Its form over substance apparently that is what you find vital when you meet new people, and if their "form" doesn't agree with your "form" then regardless of their substance, they're a "cult" or they are not true "Christians" in your opinion, and then you use their webpages to that they let you have editorial control to only slander, while never answering the serious questions posed to you.  Is that a man of honor and virtue, one who says he likes straight shooters, no BS, people who are wise and accept rebuke and a "testing of the spirits", iron sharpening iron?  Because from the "fruit" I have seen, and that is limited to what I have seen in regards to this network, my opinion is your more talk than walk, and even though you say that you're looking to gather with straight shooters, that doesn't seem to be your fruit and when others are that way you really don't like it, preferring to cast stones instead of sharpening iron.  Its too bad too, many of us here really liked you personally. 


"The Kingdom of YHVH is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind. When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad." Matthew 13
Scott in Iowa


Years ago while on a walk in the forest, Father showed me a net stretched across the sky and spoke these words to me. “The Kingdom is like unto a net….” I saw faces where the knots were. We are all connected to each other in His kingdom. He does not fish with a line and a single hook. He fishes with a net! 
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If you would like to connect with other believers, disciples and servants of the Most High who are not Nicolaitan over-lording types, but rather treat others with autonomously, the right to believe what you will and govern your own actions without someone telling you. If you would like to meet a network of like-minded folks please contact me.  
'''The following was posted on Ebediah.'''


===Making Disciples===


Messiah’s last words on Earth, or rather as he was ascending to sit at the right hand of our Father and Creator,  “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, immersing them in the character and authority of the Father and of the Son and of the Ruach HaQuodesh, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.”


Make disciples. That's my primary function. Everything that I do is based on that commandment.  
Religious Movements....


I hope and pray that this has given you a bird-eye view of my hopes, goals and vision. If you have any questions, just ask.  
An egg, unless it cracks its shell in hatching life, or is cracked into an omelet of nourishment, remains within its hard shell and rots in time.


Looking forward to getting to know you.
Just as an egg is a transitional aspect of the process of life, so are religious movements.  They begin with a great energy release of enthusiasm (entheos- inspired by God) at a discovered truth, gathering like-minded people together with hope of a better future.  But if they are not fertilized to hatch into life, or made into a nutritious omelet to strengthen life, they stagnate within their hard white shells and begin to decompose into institutions with elected officials, uniforms, and expensive buildings.  Yeshua likened such religious display to whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of corruption within (Matthew 23:27).


Historically, religion has failed us, making neither better people, nor people better, only more religious. Instead, institutionalized religion has tended to bring out some of the worst behavior of the human condition, including persecutions and counter-persecutions in the forms of inquisitions of “heretics”, crusades against the “heathen”, pogroms and expulsions and theologies of replacement, especially against the Jews- all in the name and love of Christ, and which have all succeeded only in distancing many from the Messiah himself.  The Christian religious institutions have formed their hard shells of exclusivity into conflicting doctrines and dogmas that have splintered the faith into shards of division, like a shattered mirror, each a historical step begun with enthusiasm and then coalesced into a hard-shelled institution, each entirely certain of their own correctness. This has brought little more than a derogatory response to the message of salvation from an increasingly skeptical non-Messianic and non-Christian world.


===How to Contact===
"HHC" aka "His Holy Church" may well be on the way to just such a fate.  As it forms its organizations and doctrines, electing its officials and "PCM"s, "MoR"s projecting their own personal visions, erecting their own Mighty One, 'networks" and alliances to protect and pay tribute to. This so called movement may soon find itself as another respectable religion on the already long list of respectable world religions.  It may eventually stop its very movement forward entirely, and stagnate into just another static "Church" system among the many kinds of existent "Christian" religions already in conflict.


Ebediah's email: ebediah@gmail.com
Like all movements, they have developed their own in-house jargon, which is understood only by those within the movement.  But always it is not long before the jargon loses its original meaning and impact to become only a platitude. Many have then left all in dismay and disappointment. Some even have been given the 'bums rush' as would be expected from a Pharasitical religious group towards true disciples of the Messiah.  


Message Phone: 206-350-ate,ate,ate,seven
What to do to avoid such a fate?  Religion has failed us, but the living Creator has not.  The only way is to avoid being trapped in the trappings and forms of religion as an end in itself, but hold them loosely to be applied only in so much as they are useful to edify and instruct, not attempting to squeeze Eternal Kingdom principals down into our limited dogmas and traditions.  The challenge is not in making declarations of a hyper-spirituality, or great spectacles and displays of order and of orderly worship which make men seem more than what we are, but to be men and women in the best sense of the word, not only members in doctrinal agreement, but faithful friends in a real sense- of each other and of Messiah (“I call you friends” said the Messiah- John 15:15).  And that being right here in the reality of our time and in this world- and yet outside the camp with Yeshua. 


Thus the tragic disconnect seen for so long between the vision and the reality may be healed, and the vision be woven into the very fabric of reality itself.


[http://www.facebook.com/ebediah Ebediah on Facebook]




[http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/ebediah=Ebediahs Archives Some of Ebediah's Archives]
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Latest revision as of 00:39, 5 August 2023

It appears that Ebediah does not wish work as a contact minister with the Living Network or "His Holy Church" aka HHC.

If you are interested in choosing a PCM please consider on the Living Network.

Dear Ebediah,

Ebediah you posted the information below on what was your page.

You talk of religious movement stagnating and dying. That is very interesting.

You were removed as a PCM on these networks because you were stagnating and lack visible movement and because you claim after a year of supposedly volunteering to be a PCM to not even know what a PCM was and you thought it was unbiblical and refused numerous times to answer a simple question.

What we wanted to know is have you volunteered for the true job of PCM and if you have "Do you want and intend to do it?"

We have the responsibility to ask that of all volunteers. This has nothing to do with Matthew 6:1 "Be careful not to practice your righteousness" It does have to do with 1 Timothy 3:10 "And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being [found] blameless." This also has to do with being fishers of men[1] and in those days that meant fishing with a net which we explained.

You say "Historically, religion has failed us" but anyone who reads the published articles and information shared on, with and for many here and by the network know that the word Religion has two definitions.

One common both 200 and 2000 years ago amongst Christians was to perform your "duty to God and your fellowman" which included networking and gathering together to practice pure religion unspotted by the world. That meant actually working to help care for the needy of society which has manifested itself in a charitable network since the days of Abraham through Christ.


And the other definition common to the Pharisees and many apostate preachers of the world was and is “what you think about God”. People even have wars and inquisitions over their personal opinions of religion. While the preachers argue over dogma, no one does the work of pure religion which requires people gathering together and working reliably, contributing freely and diligently striving for righteousness.

Even though numerous ministers have spoken with you and shared and supported you when you needed help you you continue in ways contrary to these simple truths concerning service as a team. And now you have told us what you think.

We were still seeking to know if you were willing to perform those duties you said you volunteered to do over a year ago.

You said at one time you wanted to be a PCM and serve but when it was brought to your attention that you were not convincing your fellow PCM you were doing or even willing to do what you said you refused to say yes you would.

It has been stated over and over that no one can stay on this PCM group “row with others because this is a Row Only groups.

Why Row Only?

Is the phrase row only in the Bible? Is it a biblical concept like a Personal Contact Minister?

Of course it is because that is what ministers due.

On the PCM page

http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/Personal_Contact_Minister

You can read There are several different words used in the Greek bible that are all translated into the single word minister. One of them is leitourgos[2] which is a public minister. A public servant of the people may use one of two types of welfare to serve, one by charity and the other by force. You cannot do it by charity without a network which we see used over and over in the Bible. When it is done by charity without exercising authority that is pure Religion.

Another word we find in the Bible appearing as minister is diakonos [3] which is one who one who executes the commands of another.

And yet another Greek word found in the New Testament which appears as minister, but also officer, and servant is huperetes[4] which means servant from a word that meant a rower and the verb hupereteo[5] meaning to serve or minister unto but defined to act as a rower.

This is why we remind those who are elected by the people that the PCM Group is a row only group. If someone comes on the group because a few people elected them and they are not properly connecting those people to what we seek to do or work with the other PCMs and Ministers of record they will likely not remain.

They certainly cannot remain on the [website PCM pages]. That is because those pages are the testimony by all the other working PCMs and MoRs that a particular individual is doing the job and can be relied upon.

Nothing is more biblical that the people choosing a minister to help bring them together to form a network of small intimate congregations working together with a larger network of congregations for the welfare of all in what sometimes can be both a perilous and even hostile world.

No one is persecuting you or calling you a “heretic”. No one is trying to alter your beliefs. We were asking what if you were going to honor your word to do the job and you refused to answer.

You are not even being expelled. You merely have not arrived because you never qualified as a PCM.

http://www.preparingyou.com/wiki/PCM_Tips#To_be_a_PCM_you_must:


You talk about “The Christian religious institutions” but the only institution we seek is a voluntary network of people striving to practice pure religion. It is very clear that those who will not work and strive to practice that pure religion is actually a part of the “skeptical non-Messianic and non-Christian world.


We wish you well if you want to ever try again you are welcome to seek office again but you must prove yourself as the Bible clearly states.

1 Timothy 3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being [found] blameless.

Gregory




Dear Ebediah,

I remember in our first telephone conversations that you mentioned that you seek to gather with people that are straight shooters, no BS, no whiners, but up front, honest, who are iron willing to sharpen iron, and then you would tell me that you thought I was one of those types of people, but when I would really tell you what I thought you'd often react as though I was personally attacking you. And that is how you're reacting with the current situation where you wrote some rather alarming statements about your feelings towards what many people are doing and working at here because you don't like the "jargon" we use, yet you volunteered to be worker on our team, even though you felt that we are a "cult", but yet you stayed, and lurked and didn't really work with us, at all, and when you did, after over a year, start to express your true feelings, when we ask you some tough questions, you folded and started pointing blame and making excuses and reporting that we are attacking you, when it reality its you that are attacking us, defaming us, slandering our name, character and nature, without really ever taking the time to get to truly know us, apparently because our vocabulary is different than yours. It seems that if we did use words that you approve of then I guess that you would give us your vote of approval. Its form over substance apparently that is what you find vital when you meet new people, and if their "form" doesn't agree with your "form" then regardless of their substance, they're a "cult" or they are not true "Christians" in your opinion, and then you use their webpages to that they let you have editorial control to only slander, while never answering the serious questions posed to you. Is that a man of honor and virtue, one who says he likes straight shooters, no BS, people who are wise and accept rebuke and a "testing of the spirits", iron sharpening iron? Because from the "fruit" I have seen, and that is limited to what I have seen in regards to this network, my opinion is your more talk than walk, and even though you say that you're looking to gather with straight shooters, that doesn't seem to be your fruit and when others are that way you really don't like it, preferring to cast stones instead of sharpening iron. Its too bad too, many of us here really liked you personally.

Scott in Iowa


The following was posted on Ebediah.


Religious Movements....

An egg, unless it cracks its shell in hatching life, or is cracked into an omelet of nourishment, remains within its hard shell and rots in time.

Just as an egg is a transitional aspect of the process of life, so are religious movements. They begin with a great energy release of enthusiasm (entheos- inspired by God) at a discovered truth, gathering like-minded people together with hope of a better future. But if they are not fertilized to hatch into life, or made into a nutritious omelet to strengthen life, they stagnate within their hard white shells and begin to decompose into institutions with elected officials, uniforms, and expensive buildings. Yeshua likened such religious display to whitewashed tombs, beautiful on the outside, but full of corruption within (Matthew 23:27).

Historically, religion has failed us, making neither better people, nor people better, only more religious. Instead, institutionalized religion has tended to bring out some of the worst behavior of the human condition, including persecutions and counter-persecutions in the forms of inquisitions of “heretics”, crusades against the “heathen”, pogroms and expulsions and theologies of replacement, especially against the Jews- all in the name and love of Christ, and which have all succeeded only in distancing many from the Messiah himself. The Christian religious institutions have formed their hard shells of exclusivity into conflicting doctrines and dogmas that have splintered the faith into shards of division, like a shattered mirror, each a historical step begun with enthusiasm and then coalesced into a hard-shelled institution, each entirely certain of their own correctness. This has brought little more than a derogatory response to the message of salvation from an increasingly skeptical non-Messianic and non-Christian world.

"HHC" aka "His Holy Church" may well be on the way to just such a fate. As it forms its organizations and doctrines, electing its officials and "PCM"s, "MoR"s projecting their own personal visions, erecting their own Mighty One, 'networks" and alliances to protect and pay tribute to. This so called movement may soon find itself as another respectable religion on the already long list of respectable world religions. It may eventually stop its very movement forward entirely, and stagnate into just another static "Church" system among the many kinds of existent "Christian" religions already in conflict.

Like all movements, they have developed their own in-house jargon, which is understood only by those within the movement. But always it is not long before the jargon loses its original meaning and impact to become only a platitude. Many have then left all in dismay and disappointment. Some even have been given the 'bums rush' as would be expected from a Pharasitical religious group towards true disciples of the Messiah.

What to do to avoid such a fate? Religion has failed us, but the living Creator has not. The only way is to avoid being trapped in the trappings and forms of religion as an end in itself, but hold them loosely to be applied only in so much as they are useful to edify and instruct, not attempting to squeeze Eternal Kingdom principals down into our limited dogmas and traditions. The challenge is not in making declarations of a hyper-spirituality, or great spectacles and displays of order and of orderly worship which make men seem more than what we are, but to be men and women in the best sense of the word, not only members in doctrinal agreement, but faithful friends in a real sense- of each other and of Messiah (“I call you friends” said the Messiah- John 15:15). And that being right here in the reality of our time and in this world- and yet outside the camp with Yeshua.

Thus the tragic disconnect seen for so long between the vision and the reality may be healed, and the vision be woven into the very fabric of reality itself.


== Footnotes ==

  1. Matthew 4:19 And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. Mark 1:17 And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
  2. 3011 ~λειτουργός~ leitourgos \@li-toorg-os’\@ from a derivative of laos meaning people and ergon meaning work or employment; the word is translated minister 4 times and, he that ministers once. It is defined as 1) a public minister, a servant of the state 2) a minister, servant
  3. 1249 ~διάκονος~ diakonos \@dee-ak’-on-os\@ probably from an obsolete diako (to run on errands, cf 1377); n m/f translated minister 20, servant 8, deacon 3; 31. Defined 1) one who executes the commands of another, esp. of a master, a servant, attendant, minister 1a) the servant of a king similar to leitourgos
  4. 5257 ~ὑπηρέτης~ huperetes \@hoop-ay-ret’-ace\@ from hupo a primary preposition meaning of, by, under. It is also a derivative of eresso meaning to row); n m and is translated in the Bible officer 11, minister 5, servant 4; 20. And defined 1) servant 1a) an underrower, subordinate rower 1b) any one who serves with hands: a servant 1b1) in the NT of the officers and attendants of magistrates as — of the officer who executes penalties 1b2) of the attendants of a king, servants, retinue, the soldiers of a king, of the attendant of a synagogue 1b3) of any one ministering or rendering service 1c) any one who aids another in any work 1c1) an assistant 1c2) of the preacher of the gospel
  5. 5256 ~ὑπηρετέω~ hupereteo \@hoop-ay-ret-eh’-o\@ like huperetes but the verb translate serve 1, minister unto 1, minister 1; 3 and defined 1) to act as a rower, to row 2) to minister, render services

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