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"[Slavery is] the state that is recognized by the ius gentium in which someone is subject to the dominion of another person contrary to nature." — Gaius, Institutiones 1.3.2
"[Slavery is] the state that is recognized by the ius gentium in which someone is subject to the dominion of another person contrary to nature." — Gaius, Institutiones 1.3.2


[Slavery is]] the state that is recognized by the ius gentium in which someone is subject to the dominion of another person contrary to nature" Gaius, Institutions 1.3.2
Sec.19. "And here we have the plain difference between the state of nature and the state of war, which however some men have confounded, are as far distant, as a state of peace, good will, mutual assistance and preservation, and a state of enmity, malice, violence and mutual destruction, are one from another. Men living together according to reason, without a common superior on earth, with authority to judge between them, is properly the state of nature. But force, or a declared design of force, upon the person of another, where there is no common superior on earth to appeal to for relief, is the state of war: and it is the '''want of such an appeal gives a man the right of war''' even against an aggressor, tho' he be in society and a fellow subject. Thus a thief, whom I cannot harm, but by appeal to the law, for having stolen all that I am worth, I may kill, when he sets on me to rob me but of my horse or coat; because the law, which was made for my preservation, where it cannot interpose to secure my life from present force, which, if lost, is capable of no reparation, permits me my own defence, and the right of war, a liberty to kill the aggressor, because the aggressor allows not time to appeal to our common judge, nor the decision of the law, for remedy in a case where the mischief may be irreparable. Want of a common judge with authority, puts all men in a state of nature: force without right, upon a man's person, makes a state of war, both where there is, and is not, a common judge."
 
Second Treatise of Civil Government John Locke (1690)
 
CHAP. III. Of the State of War.
“The want of such an appeal gives a man the right of war.Locke


Bastiat  “legal plunder”
Bastiat  “legal plunder”

Revision as of 18:31, 5 December 2022

"[Slavery is] the state that is recognized by the ius gentium in which someone is subject to the dominion of another person contrary to nature." — Gaius, Institutiones 1.3.2

Sec.19. "And here we have the plain difference between the state of nature and the state of war, which however some men have confounded, are as far distant, as a state of peace, good will, mutual assistance and preservation, and a state of enmity, malice, violence and mutual destruction, are one from another. Men living together according to reason, without a common superior on earth, with authority to judge between them, is properly the state of nature. But force, or a declared design of force, upon the person of another, where there is no common superior on earth to appeal to for relief, is the state of war: and it is the want of such an appeal gives a man the right of war even against an aggressor, tho' he be in society and a fellow subject. Thus a thief, whom I cannot harm, but by appeal to the law, for having stolen all that I am worth, I may kill, when he sets on me to rob me but of my horse or coat; because the law, which was made for my preservation, where it cannot interpose to secure my life from present force, which, if lost, is capable of no reparation, permits me my own defence, and the right of war, a liberty to kill the aggressor, because the aggressor allows not time to appeal to our common judge, nor the decision of the law, for remedy in a case where the mischief may be irreparable. Want of a common judge with authority, puts all men in a state of nature: force without right, upon a man's person, makes a state of war, both where there is, and is not, a common judge." Second Treatise of Civil Government John Locke (1690) CHAP. III. Of the State of War.

Bastiat “legal plunder” Bastiat pointedly describes both slavery and tariffs as forms of "legal plunder". There is no country in the world where the law is kept more within its proper domain: the protection of every person's liberty and property.


there are two kinds of plunder: legal and illegal. I do not think that illegal plunder, such as theft or swindling-- which the penal code defines, anticipates, and punishes--can be called socialism. It is not this kind of plunder that systematically threatens the foundations of society.

Instead, it is demanded that the law should directly extend welfare, education, and morality throughout the nation. This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. https://americanliterature.com › book The Law - The Seductive Lure of Socialism - American Literature


Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them. 26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister; Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:

Luke 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

Temples and tables

https://youtu.be/OqdAVjAqZ0s


http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Exercise_authority

The modern welfare state has nothing in common with the gleaning of the Old Testament and everything to do with a table of covetousness which is a snare. Paul was quoting David when he wrote in Romans 11:9 "And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:" When America shifted to a welfare state under presidents like FDR an LBJ etc. They turned their back on the righteousness of Christ and abandoned the gospel. http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Snare

All the essential doctrines of Christians are found in the words of Christ. Luke 22:25 "And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. But ye shall not be so: But ye shall not be so:..." http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Exercise_authority

Yes, but it would seem to me the closer we get to what Christ said the less division we will see. His words were and are essential and they may divide us from people who say they have faith but do not do what he said. Most Christian do go to rulers who exercise authority to get benefits at their neighbor's expense which is clearly a covetous practice which John the Baptist, Jesus, the apostles, and all the prophets preached against. If we do not get Jesus' doctrine right then we are divided from Him. That is essential. http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Benefactors


Gleaning had nothing to do with those systems of welfare by legal charity which make the word of God to none effect and are an abomination. http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Gleaners

1 Corinthians 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Ephesians 5:1 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: 7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

We see three places where Jesus specifically instructs His disciples that they are to not "Exercise authority one over the other": http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Exercise_authority

The most unbiblical practice we see today by modern Christians is to covet your neighbors' goods through men who exercise authority one over the other against the clear directive of Christ. http://preparingyou.com/wiki/Exercise_authority