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== What is biblical eldership?  ==
 
 
Eldership is defined:
 
: 1. An older person.
 
: 2. An older, influential member of a family, tribe, or community.
 
: 3. One of the governing officers of a church, often having pastoral or teaching functions.
 
 
This third use of the word elder or eldership is common among many [[denominations]] of the [[modern Church]]. I see countless church groups and ministries offering books, workbook, and courses to teach ministers the art and skills of "eldership". They talk about training "leaders in the church", ''memorizing scripture, homework, assigned reading, and the facilitator’s role as guide to the group to questions and encourage interaction sharing answers, insights, and clarifications through verbally participating''.
 
 
What this does is cause participants to invest their time energy and money in the idea of an elder being an office of the Church established by Christ. But the problem is that the term '''[[elder]]''' was not really used in the [[early Church]] to describe an office of the Church?
 
 
The term [[Elder]] was only noting a position of authority or respect conferred by age and experience within a family?
 
 
The family is the first institution of God. It is from a healthy, viable and free family that free and righteous society is born. Anything that does not promote, guard, protect, and strengthen the rights and well being of the Families of God is not compatible with the purposes of God.
 
 
The spiritual leadership and emotional support of the families of God, from which the children of God shall spring, is the [[Holy Spirit]], the [[Comforter]]. Neither [[Jesus]] nor [[Moses]] ''[[called out]]'' men to be a substitute for the [[Holy Spirit]] of God dwelling in the hearts and minds of men.
 
 
The [[Holy Spirit]] does not dwell in temples built of dead stone built by the hand of man but in the living stones and hearts and minds of the people. This is why it was written that the kingdom of Heaven is within.
 
 
200 years ago [[religion]] was defined as the "performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men". [[Politics]] of the [[world]] has become a way to impose duties on our fellow man through [[force]] as if we are gods. [[Religion]] today is often used to justify that imposition of [[force]] on our fellow men.
 
 
The politics of the [[Church]] is the politics of ''the word'' which empowers man to seek “Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men” unspotted by the politics of the [[world]] which is [[Pure Religion]].
 
 
The purpose of the Church and the office of that Church appointed by Christ is to feed His sheep by facilitating every elder of every family in their personal practice of [[Pure Religion]]. To do this ''natural elders'' of every family should freely assemble to choose the best amongst them to connect all the people seeking the [[kingdom of God]] and [[The Way]] of Christ in a voluntary network of [[charity]] and [[love]].
 
 
One of the primary [[qualifications]] for a minister of the [[Church]] or the [[Levites]] before them was that they were the head of a good family. They were chosen by the people to serve all the other [[elders]] and their families in [[free assemblies]] in a [[network]] of congregations of [[tens|ten elders]]. Once that pattern is established and we understand that the purpose of the ministers includes more than emotional and spiritual support but also the provision of clothing, food, and shelter when needed we may begin to see the mission of the Church.
 
 
In [[Titus 3]] verse 5 Paul is giving instructions about the appointment of existing [[elders]] to offices of the Church appointed duties by Christ. There is no reason to believe from the text that the term "elder" was an office of the Church. In verse 6 Paul describes the kind of elder you are looking to appoint is one that is already "blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children..."
 
 
 
== What are the duties of an elder? ==
 
 
 
Biblical eldership is the performance of the duties imposed by God and Nature of ''every man who is an elder to their family'' and to the community as themselves according to the leading of the Holy Spirit within the commandments of God.
 
 
The institution of the family is the first institution of God. While the ''church in general'' is driven by the Spirit of God that [[Holy Spirit]] is only found dwelling in the hearts and minds of every man and woman. The [[Kingdom of God]] is within them from [[generation to generation]].
 
 
For the next generation to receive the wisdom, values, and spirit of [[righteousness]] each family cannot just ''think or believe they love'' their neighbor but they must turn that love into competent actions<Ref>1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.</Ref> through the natural [[sacrifice]] of [[charity]].<Ref>John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
 
: John 15:13  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
 
: 1 John 3:16  Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought</Ref>
 
 
For eldership to fulfill its duties it must include the will of God for your family and the next generation and what God desires you do for your fellow man. In order to attend to the [[weightier matters]] of Christ we must be diligent in our quest for the [[righteousness]] of God for every man. [[Charity]] cannot express or fulfill the competent [[love]] for and of Christ without an intimate knowledge of needs, cause, and effect of [[fervent charity]] upon the recipient of your personal sacrifice. It cannot be righteous without a humble willingness to [[forgive]].
 
 
== How important is this subject to the Church? ==
 
 
The ''Church specific'' is not an institution of man but of [[Christ]]. Christ [[ekklesia|called men out]] of the [[world]] just as [[Moses]] [[called out]] the [[Church in the wilderness]] from the camp of the [[Golden calf]]. Jesus, as the one who was to follow after [[John the Baptist]] the role of highpriest, chose and taught His [[disciples]] to be ministers of the people for His purposes which is the purpose of the God of Creation and Nature.
 
 
But as the Christ, the ''highest son of God'' and the righteous king of Judea and Israel he appointed His faithful disciples "a kingdom" to serve.<Ref>Luke 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;</Ref> He was able to do this because he had taken the kingdom from the [[pharisees]] by the words of their own mouth.<Ref>John 19:15 But they cried out, Away with [him], away with [him], crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.</Ref>
 
 
Jesus had chosen specific men, tested them over time,<Ref>Luke 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.</Ref> and promised to appoint a kingdom to His [[little flock]].<Ref>Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.</Ref> while prohibiting them from exercising authority over each other or the people in free assembly like the governments of the [[world]] did at that time and do again today. Unless the elders of every family also serve to set the table of the Lord there will be no [[Eucharist]], no [[communion]] of the [[flesh and blood]] of Christ.
 
 
The people were always meant to have the free dominion of God in His Garden as long as they ate of the [[tree of life]] dressing and keeping the gift of this domain. Only then shall they be a peculiar people.
 
 
== What is Pastoral eldership? ==
 
 
Is the '''pastoral''' mission of the Church primarily or exclusively "concerning or appropriate to the giving of spiritual guidance"?<Ref>2018 Oxford University Press</Ref>
 
 
"Pastoral care is an ancient model of emotional and spiritual support that can be found in all cultures and traditions. It has been described in our modern context as individual and corporate patience in which trained pastoral carers support people in their pain, loss and anxiety, and their triumphs, joys and victories." University of Canberra
 
 
In the [[modern Church]] today there is a reference to Pastoral care as "emotional and spiritual" support but the words related to pastor in the Bible suggest, even state, a temporal Pastoral responsibility for the health and well being. The Hebrew word "raah"<Ref>{{07462}}</Ref> is not only the word for ''pastor'' and ''shepherd'' it is mostly commonly translated as "feed". 
 
 
The Greek word ''poimen''<Ref name="poimen">{{4166}}</Ref> which we see translated ''pastor'' in the New Testament is commonly translated ''shepherd''.
 
 
The term shepherd as an occupational title reached beyond emotions and spiritual needs of the flock and for 2000 years the Church was heavily engaged in [[daily ministration]]s of a temporal needs. The relegation of a pastors duties to primarily a spiritual or emotional caregiver is an apparition of the [[modern Church]].
 
 
The original duties of a shepherd are said to be:'<Ref name="poimen"></Ref>
 
*  -to watch for enemies trying to attack the sheep
 
*  -to defend the sheep from attackers
 
*  -to heal the wounded and sick sheep
 
*  -to find and save lost or trapped sheep
 
*  -to love them, sharing their lives and so earning their trust.
 
 
Jesus repeated that we were to ''Feed His Sheep'' and the apostles and the [[early Church]] were clearly rightly dividing actual ''bread from house to house''.<Ref>Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,</Ref>
 
 
We see the first to preach the kingdom of God at hand was [[John the Baptist]] who was the son of Zacharias a high priest of Judea. As the voice of one crying in the wilderness he is telling people to "Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight" because at that time it was "crooked" and needed to "be made straight" because the people had become a "generation of vipers" so that there was a recompense and "wrath to come"
 
 
John was calling not just for repentance but "fruits worthy of repentance". They could not just depend upon the fact that "Abraham to our father" ut their generation was going to have to think so differently that they produced "good [[fruit]]".
 
 
So, "the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?"
 
 
*  '''"He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise."''' [[Luke 3]]:11
 
 
Those meats were equivalent to the [[free bread]] of [[Rome]] and the gift, gratuities, and [[benefits]] provided by the Sacrifice of the people called [[Corban]] but under [[Herod]] the Great and the [[Pharisees]] that sacrifice became a matter of compelled offerings as opposed to a [[freewill offering]]. If the sacrifices of the people were not based on  a [[freewill offering]] they would make the [[Corban|word of God to none effect]].
 
 
John was making a clear statement that the straight way of God is to care for the needs of society including food through [[charity]], not by [[covetous practices]] and certainly not by compelling the contributions and sacrifices of the people through [[force]] like the ''[[fathers]] of the earth'' and ''rulers of the gentiles who [[exercise authority]] one over the other''.
 
 
The word ''meat'' is translated from the Greek word broma which means "that which is eaten, food".<Ref name="broma">{{1033}}</Ref> Christ and the apostles provided the distribution of this "meat" for the people translated ''victuals'' in Matthew 14:15.<Ref>Matthew 14:15 "And when it was evening, his disciples came to him, saying, This is a desert place, and the time is now past; send the multitude away, that they may go into the villages, and buy themselves victuals.</Ref> We also seem the same word in [[Luke 9]]:13<Ref>Luke 9:13 But he said unto them, Give ye them to eat. And they said, We have no more but five loaves and two fishes; except we should go and buy meat for all this people.</Ref> in the same reference to actua food distributed to the people for eating.
 
 
== What does the Bible say about church eldership? ==
 
 
In every family, there is to be a king and high [[priest]].
 
 
But like the Levites before them, ordained ministers of the Church chosen by the people should meet the qualifications of a trusted elder. But as an officer of the Church instituted by Christ, they must also meet the qualifications and requirements of [[Jesus]] [[Christ]] as the [[legally defined|establisher of the Church]].
 
 
The people should always look out among themselves and choose men they trust to provide these services. It was the job of the Church to [[appoint]] or [[ordain]] them over those matters of service. The people retained the power over their choice of [[votive]] offerings to support the ministers and services of the Church to the people.
 
 
The term [[ordain]] is Greek word ''kathistemi''<Ref>{{2525}}</Ref> meaning "set in place", specifically "1b) to appoint one to administer an office".
 
 
Paul is not ordaining men to be ''[[elders]]'' but ordaining men who were already [[elders]] in their families to be [[bishops]] as "steward" of the Church. A ''steward'' was "the manager of a household or of household affairs" of the house of God which received the donations of all the elders of families to provide the daily ministration of the people. They were in charge of the "finances" of the [[polis]] of Christ, "treasurers or quaestors of kings". <Ref>{{3623}}</Ref>
 
 
We see in the New Testament "the office of a deacon"<Ref>1 Timothy 3:10  And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
 
: 1 Timothy 3:13  For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.</Ref>, "the office of a bishop"<Ref>1 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.</Ref>, and "the office of the priesthood"<Ref>Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:</Ref> but there is no ''office of [[elder]]''.
 
 
Paul uses the term  diakonia <Ref>{{1248}}</Ref> translated "office" in refrence to himself but diakonia is more often translated ''ministry''.<Ref>Romans 11:13  For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:</Ref> He also uses a word translated office but the word is ''praxis'' <Ref>{{4234}}</Ref> which actually means "a doing... a thing to be done, business".
 
 
 
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Romans 12:4  For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
 
 
 
 
 
 
1 Timothy 3:1 ¶ This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
 
 
 
8 ¶ Likewise must the [[deacons]] be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
 
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
 
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
 
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
 
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
 
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
 
 
 
 
 
 
12  Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master, what shall we do? 13  And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
 
 
David wrote in [[Psalms 23]]:1  "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want."
 
 
Luke 3:1 ¶ Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 2  He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3  He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake. 4  Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5  Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6  Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 
 
Psalms 80:1 ¶ « To the chief Musician upon Shoshannimeduth, A Psalm of Asaph. » Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest [between] the cherubims, shine forth.
 
 
 
 
The lack of knowledge concerning the role of elders and deacons in the early Christian community is in part the lack of understanding of the function of the [[early Church]] appointed by Christ. Revisiting a few of the definitions of terms used in the biblical text and the history of that era
 
 
We are not training the very men who lead and have oversight of our churches. We erroneously believe that our serving elders and deacons understand spiritual oversight and care, but in fact our churches are filled with elders and deacons who confess that they are unprepared and untrained for their work.
 
 
Biblical Eldership, when used in connection with the main text, Biblical Eldership, provides twelve comprehensive lessons regarding biblical eldership principles. It is designed for use by the prospective new elder under the direction of a mentoring elder, or can also be used in group study.
 
 
 
John 10:11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
 
John 10:14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
 
 
 
 
TUTORIALS
 
 
MENTORING PLAN
 
 
Roots of the Church are the congregations of the people.
 
# '''Culture of Christ'''. How does the [[culture of Christ]] differ from the culture of the [[world]]? That culture does not seek to undermine local customs and [[culture]]s. In history, almost all cultures have elements of the kingdom culture of Christ.
 
# '''Empowering people'''. The [[kingdom of God]] is the ''power of God'', [[Holy Spirit]] of God, operating in the heart and mind of every man. The operation of a man from within the communities or people as groups cannot diminish the power of choice, liberty of choice, of the individual without limiting the [[Holy Spirit]]. The right to choose and the power to act must not be diminished as an individual pursuit but instead acceptance of responsibility should be encouraged and even required at every opportunity. 
 
# '''Demonstrate Christ'''. Christ's life was a manifestation of the Master Plan for life created by God. He laid down his life in love and picked up life more abundant. [[The Way]] of [[love]] and [[sacrifice]] through [[charity]] was an alternative to the way of the [[world]], of [[covet]]ousness, [[force]], and un[[forgive]]ness that leads to sloth and weakens the poor.
 
# Communicate Vision. To paint a picture of the kingdom of God we mut learn the meaning of words used by the prophets of the kingdom
 
# Express Core Values. The values of Christ must dwell in the hearts and minds of every elder who sits down with his fellow man in Congregations of Recorded Elders (CORE)
 
# Understand Christ's Purpose. The purpose of Christ was that everyman would be lead by the inspiration of the [[Holy Spirit]] in his heart and in his mind.
 
# Define Your Community. CORE
 
# Start with the End in Mind Priorities
 
# Strategies
 
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Every congregation of record (CORE)should have its own email group which includes the minister of the minister and should establish a weekly call through a phone tree.
 
 
ELDER TRAINING PROGRAMS
 
 
ELDER MISSION
 
 
Latin decānus ('chief of ten people; dean')
 

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